A Question of Loyalty

JPL employees with dual citizenship say NASA ‘inappropriately’ questioned their allegiance to the US

By Justin Chapman, Pasadena Weekly, 11/20/2014

Over the past eight months, Jet Propulsion Laboratory engineer Cate Heneghan said she has been dealing with what she considers to be an abuse of authority by NASA, which has been trying to force her to sign what amounts to a loyalty oath — asking intrusive questions about her allegiance to the United States.

 

Heneghan, who was born and raised in Bethesda, Md., studied at New Mexico State and USC and has dual citizenship with Ireland, argues that the questions do not conform to NASA guidelines.

 

“How is it JPL is implementing these questions beyond the adjudicative standard, which is required in HSPD-12?” asked Heneghan, who does concept development design for NASA missions and has been at JPL for 26 years. “No one can answer that question.”

 

HSPD-12, or Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12, was issued by President Bush in 2004 and implemented a common identification standard for federal employees and contractors. When it was implemented at JPL and applied to all employees, including contractors and those working on non-classified projects, a number of scientists and engineers objected to the invasive background checks required under the directive and filed a federal lawsuit. The suit, brought by longtime JPL scientist Robert Nelson, was ultimately decided in NASA’s favor by the US Supreme Court in 2012.

 

The 10 questions were issued to Heneghan on March 24 by Jerry Jennings and Shannon Sanchez of the Office of Protective Services, a department of the NASA Management Office, as part of an adjudication process to credential Heneghan’s Personal Identity Verification (PIV) Smart Card. PIV Smart Cards are issued to most JPL employees to gain access to the laboratory. Heneghan says the questions were appropriate for an employee seeking a security clearance, but not for a simple employee badge. The questions included: “Do you have 100 percent allegiance to the United States?” “If needed, would you renounce your citizenship with Ireland?” “Do you carry an Irish passport? What’s the number?” “Do you travel on this passport?” “Do you plan on renewing this passport?” and “Do you have financial interests or property in Ireland?”

 

Heneghan says that other federal employees who are also dual citizens, including those working for NASA, are not subject to the same questions.

 

Deborah Williams-Hedges, senior media relations representative for Caltech, which manages JPL for NASA, referred all questions to NASA headquarters, which did not respond to requests for comment.

 

A few days after receiving the questions, Heneghan said she replied to Jennings and Sanchez that the NASA Office of Personnel Management guidelines indicate the questions are only required for classified work. Sanchez and Jennings threatened noncompliance, revocation of access to JPL and “unfavorable determination” if Heneghan did not answer the questions within a week, according to email correspondence with Heneghan.

 

Neither Jennings nor Sanchez responded to requests for comment.

 

Heneghan started talking to other employees who received the same or similar questions. They also expressed concerns about answering the questions, but were too frightened to resist. Heneghan refused to answer the questions on the grounds that they were not justified by any policy. The Office of Protective Services held her in noncompliance and sent her a letter denying her PIV Smart Card, and thus access to her job.

 

After being approached by Heneghan, the Caltech Office of General Counsel and the NASA Management Office discussed the situation and then decided to drop the two most egregious of the 10 questions: the one about 100 percent allegiance to the US, the other one regarding renouncing her Irish citizenship “if needed.”

 

On May 1 the Office of Protective Services emailed a new list of questions to Heneghan with two of the original 10 questions redacted and a new response deadline of May 15. The email reiterated that Heneghan’s failure to respond to all questions may adversely affect her access to NASA facilities and systems.

 

Heneghan and a co-worker who received similar questions, Dr. Josette Bellan, contacted the NASA Inspector General and relayed their concerns to the NASA Whistleblower Protection Ombudsman. Bellan, a senior research scientist who has dual citizenship with France, was also offended by the allegiance questions.

 

“I am totally amazed that someone in the [NASA Management Office] was able to come up with these incredibly offensive questions for absolutely no reason whatsoever,” said Bellan.

 

The Inspector General’s Office did not reply with a solution before the deadline, so Heneghan and Bellan answered the eight questions under duress of noncompliance. The ombudsman, Frank LaRocca, who serves as counsel to the Inspector General, did not reply to requests for information, though the Inspector General’s Office met with Heneghan on Tuesday and told her they would be looking into her concerns.

 

On May 29, Heneghan received a letter from John O’Malley, the NASA Management Office’s adjudication appeals officer, which read: “Your responses to a supplemental security questionnaire regarding your possession, use and renewal of your (Irish passport) were factors in a ‘favorable’ ruling of your appeal. The ‘no’ responses to use and renew your (Irish passport) in the future were key to this determination. Failure to adhere to this agreement may adversely affect your future access eligibility to JPL or other federal facilities and could result in the revocation of your NASA-issued PIV credential.”

 

“I never made any agreement, I simply answered their questions,” said Heneghan. “The question was, ‘Do you plan to renew your passport?’ I can honestly say I currently do not have plans to renew my Irish passport, but I certainly never made any agreement saying that I will not renew my Irish passport.”

 

Heneghan emailed O’Malley, copying management staff at JPL, the NASA Inspector General and Caltech’s Office of General Counsel, asking for a copy of the adjudicative standards that were being used, because she said they diverged from personnel guidelines. She did not receive a response.

 

Heneghan and Bellan then went to Congresswoman Judy Chu (D-Pasadena), who sent a letter on their behalf to NASA on Aug. 5 asking for an explanation and a review of the case.

 

On Sept. 12, NASA sent a response letter to Chu written by L. Seth Statler, associate administrator of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs for NASA, which read: “After an investigation into the facts at hand, OPS determined that the dual citizenship questions asked of Ms. Heneghan and Ms. Bellan were not agency approved, given the type of position that both employees occupy, as well as the fact that no additional indicators of risk were discovered as part of their routine background checks. Thus, the background investigations for both individuals were favorably adjudicated in accordance with agency policy. During that time, neither Ms. Heneghan nor Ms. Bellan suffered a disruption in access to JPL. Subsequently, OPS officials have determined that inadequate or misapplied training caused higher standards than those required by NASA’s procedural requirements to be applied to the adjudication of these employees’ clearances. To prevent such an error from occurring in the future, the agency is providing additional training to this employee to help reinforce standing agency policies and processes with regard to adjudicative guidelines.”

 

Heneghan said that while the letter begins to address the rule violation issues that were raised, it does not address the gross mismanagement of the adjudication process at JPL and what she considers to be an abuse of authority by NASA employees.

 

“The letter misses the mark on many things and misrepresents the story,” said Heneghan. “It doesn’t cover the impact to so many people and the lack of integrity and loss of trust in the process this will have on NASA employees and contractors.”

 

While, as the letter states, neither Heneghan nor Bellan suffered a disruption in access to JPL, they both endured the threat of loss of access to JPL. And they still have plenty of questions of their own.

 

“This threat continued even after we pointed out to higher levels of JPL and NASA management the errant behavior of the [NASA Management Office] adjudicators,” said Heneghan. “I was even found to be noncompliant for initially not answering the non-agency approved questions. I had to hire a lawyer to respond to this false claim of noncompliance. What other violations have been committed by NASA adjudicators and by the entire Office of Protective Services? How far up the NASA management structure does all this go? This was not the action of only one rogue employee. He did this with the full knowledge of his management at JPL as well as the JPL Director and Caltech [general counsel]. The NASA [Inspector General] was also made aware of the overreaching questions, but did not act on the information. Who polices adjudicators to be sure they aren’t breaking policies or laws? How many others of the 5,000 JPL employees and 2,000 contractors have been subjected to unauthorized questioning? How will NASA disposition all the information they collected without authorization?”

 

Heneghan and Bellan recommend that an objective third party perform a thorough audit of all NASA adjudications at JPL. They also recommend informing all those who provided information to non-agency approved questions that their information was gathered without NASA approval, and destroying that information. They believe all NASA personnel at JPL should be trained on the prime contract between Caltech and NASA, as well as on NASA adjudication policy.

 

“I think there is something wrong here,” said Bellan. “The [NASA Management Office] action has been acknowledged to be wrong by NASA, but the retraining of one person will not solve this because the action was approved at the highest level. There’s much more to it and many people are afraid to protest because they are being intimidated by the threat of losing their jobs. These kinds of activities undermine the trust we have in the NASA Management Office at JPL and in NASA’s ability to manage the NASA Management Office at JPL.”

 

“I find this whole thing embarrassing for our country,” said Heneghan. 

Long Overdue

OIR lead attorney says final report on 2012 McDade shooting death coming this week

By Andre Coleman and Justin Chapman, Pasadena Weekly, 7/31/2014

Although the lead attorney of a police watchdog group told the Pasadena Weekly that a report examining Pasadena Police Department procedure’s in a 2012 shooting incident in which a 19-year-old unarmed man was shot and killed by officers would be finished this week, NAACP Pasadena Branch President Gary Moody held out little hope that the report would be released.  

 

“This has taken about two months,” said Moody. “We have been hearing that the report would be ready in the next few weeks since May. The longer it takes the more bad news I expect to come out of it.”

 

The city asked the Office of Independent Review (OIR) to investigate the officer-involved shooting death of Kendrec McDade in 2012. McDade was shot and killed by Pasadena Police Officers Jeffrey Newlen and Matthew Griffin on Sunset Avenue in Northwest Pasadena after he and a 17-year-old friend stole a backpack from a car parked near a taco stand. The vehicle’s owner, Oscar Carrillo-Gonzales, made a 911 call after the theft and told police he had been robbed at gunpoint by two black men. Carrillo-Gonzales mentioned a gun eight times during the call, which city officials say led the officers to believe McDade was armed.  

 

At the end of a pursuit, the officers said Kendrec turned and ran towards them, prompting them to open fire, shooting McDade eight times. 

 

McDade’s parents settled two lawsuits with the city with his mother, Anya Slaughter, receiving $850,000, and his father, Kenneth McDade, receiving $187,500, according to the statement.

Officers Newlen and Griffin were cleared in the shooting by the LA County Sheriff’s Department, the District Attorney’s Office and by an internal investigation. In June, the department said that the FBI had determined that McDade’s rights had not been violated in the shooting. The OIR probe is the only remaining investigation in the matter.

 

Local advocates have been waiting for the release of the report since the shooting and have grown impatient over the past several months. 

 

The OIR was created by the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors to monitor the Sheriff’s Department and provide legal advice to ensure that allegations of officer misconduct involving LASD and other departments are investigated thoroughly.

 

In the two previous officer-involved shootings investigated by the OIR, the group completed its report in about a year. Local officials have said that they have received several drafts from the OIR and queries for more information.

 

“We plan to turn it over in the next week or so,” said OIR Lead Attorney Michael Gennaco. “The city will examine it and you’re probably looking at a two to three week window before it is released.”

The pending report could be the last time the OIR and the city Police Department work together. Sanchez announced in March that he will go to the Sheriff’s Department for outside investigations of local officer-involved shootings, not the OIR. 

 

“We look forward to seeing the report from the group and we will review their findings and recommendations with an open mind,” said Pasadena Police Chief Phillip Sanchez. “I have no idea what it will say. I would like to absorb it for what it is with an open mind. Although we strive for excellence we are not a perfect organization. We will direct our attention and resources towards any recommendations.” 

 

But instead of waiting on those recommendations, several groups including the NAACP have already called for action. Those groups, including the ACLU Pasadena Foothills Chapter, have called on the city to start a civilian oversight committee to provide independent oversight on use-of-force complaints and hire an independent auditor to oversee the Police Department’s investigation of use-of-force incidents.

 

On July 22, more than 50 people attended a debate on civilian oversight of the Pasadena Police Department between District 6 Councilman Steve Madison and ACLU Attorney Peter Bibring at the Donald Wright Auditorium at the Pasadena Central Library. 

 

Bibring argued that the city should hire an independent auditor to oversee the department, especially in cases involving the use of force, in order to restore the community’s trust of the department by installing independent accountability. Madison said the department did not need an auditor and said the added layer of review would only create more bureaucracy and countered that there was no systemic corruption in the department or a resistance to change by the department’s management. The debate was moderated by ACT co-chair and former Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, sponsored by ACT and cosponsored by Pasadena NAACP, All Saints Church, ACLU Pasadena/Foothills Chapter, the Pasadena Foothills Democratic Club, Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance, Pasadena Latino Forum and Coalition for Increased Oversight of Pasadena Police.

 

Mayor Bill Bogaard, Pasadena City Council members Victor Gordo and Margaret McAustin, and former PUSD School Board member Esteban Lizardo attended the event. City Council members Jacque Robinson, chair of the council’s Public Safety Committee, and John Kennedy, the only advocate on the council of at least studying civilian oversight, did not attend. 

 

The department’s use-of-force incidents during arrests have dropped by about 33 percent since 2012. Last year there were 35 such incidents during 6,630 arrests. That number is down from 52 and 53 use-of-force incidents in 2011 and 2012, respectively. The decline in the use of force during arrests resulted in 57 investigations against local police officers, down from 89 the year before. 

 

Allegations made by members of the public against officers have included rudeness, refusal to take a crime report and false arrest.

 

Of those 57, 12 officers faced disciplinary action. Five of them were suspended. Five received verbal warnings and two were ordered to undergo training.

 

In 2012, Broghamer, Detective Keith Gomez and Officer Kevin Okamoto were cleared in eight separate investigations surrounding allegations that they beat up suspects, threatened witnesses and hid evidence. Earlier that year, a Los Angeles Superior Court judge declared a mistrial in a murder trial after admonishing Broghamer and Okamoto for hiding exculpatory evidence that would have helped defendants Jerrell Sanford and Michael Grigsby in a 2007 homicide.

 

Despite the decline use of force incidents, a handful of critics point to the conduct of several officers, including Detective William Broghamer who is currently being investigated for statements he made on tape. In those statements, Broghamer reportedly told a fellow officer to “Just pin it on anybody,” while discussing a homicide. Broghamer later told a courtroom he was joking when he made the statement. In another case, Broghamer told a suspect, “I’ll lie to fry your ass.”

 

“We want to make sure that everybody is treated fairly,” Moody told the Weekly. “In light of what we are hearing now, it concerns me that there are things in the OIR report they don’t want us to see.”

 

Bibring said that the issue comes down to trust, and made the case that many people in the community, especially those in Northwest Pasadena, do not trust the police. Madison said that the city council and the Public Safety Committee have adequate access and review of the department. Council members are elected by Pasadena residents, therefore the community can hold the department accountable, he said.

 

Essentially, Bibring argued that in order to restore the community’s trust in the police, the city needs to hire an independent auditor to oversee the department, and Madison argued that the existing levels of review are adequate.n


Reporter Justin Chapman contributed to this story.

Visions of Tomorrow

What will the Crown City look like in 30 years?

By Justin Chapman, Pasadena Weekly, 7/17/2014

The year is 2044. The hoverboard of “Back to the Future” fame has finally been invented. The Internet is now directly connected to our brains. The Earth is 3 degrees Celsius warmer. The world’s population is 9 billion. And Bill Bogaard is still mayor of Pasadena.

 

Kidding aside, what will Pasadena be like 30 years from now? Looking back that many years, Pasadena was quite different from today. In 1984, this reporter wasn’t even born yet. There was no Gold Line. The Foothill (210) Freeway was in its infancy. Old Pasadena was just beginning to turn around following decades of squalor. The popular culinary, nightlife and shopping Mecca was for many years considered a no man’s land.

 

In 2044, will there be a Pasadena Weekly? The paper has survived the trials and tribulations of the past 30 years, but everyone knows that print newspapers are unfortunately going the way of the Dodo, the pager and the laser disc. People, especially young people, now overwhelmingly get their news from social media, which has exploded in popularity over the past five years. Daily newspapers will most likely not exist in 2044. However, there is hope for community-based alternative weeklies, much like the good ol’ PW. Instant news consumption will invariably almost all be digital in three decades, but free weekly print papers can still provide investigative journalism and in-depth analysis of local stories, coverage of those inevitable issues of the future.


Future problems

Water pollution, energy conservation, air quality, development, overpopulation, shifting demographics, policing and drones are all issues that aren’t going anywhere. As Pasadena City Councilmember Terry Tornek put it, “Thirty years is not a long time in the life of a city.”

 

One of the biggest challenges for Pasadena over the next 30 years will be transportation, as many of the city’s streets are already overcrowded.

 

“My hope for Pasadena in 2044 is that auto traffic will be a nonissue,” said Mayor Bogaard, “with mobility provided by walking, biking and new technological facilities such as moving sidewalks.”

 

Bogaard noted that another challenge for the city is whether Pasadena can retain all of the benefits of a diverse population when the cost of living goes up.

 

“I hope that technology allows Pasadena to achieve housing that is affordable to assure that the diverse population which makes up Pasadena today will continue and be embraced,” he said.

 

District 7 Councilmember Tornek, who is running for mayor, said the real question is not so much physical sustainability or ethnic diversity, but rather economic diversity.

 

“Because we value historic tradition so significantly, I don’t think the city will look dramatically different physically,” he said. “But is the marketplace going to drive less affluent people out of town? If we take diversity seriously as a community objective, how do we continue to make Pasadena affordable?” 


The looming fight

In 30 years, the status of the controversial Long Beach (710 ) Freeway project will likely be one of three scenarios: defeated, built, or still tied up in court. Caltrans and Metro are currently studying five alternatives to the originally proposed surface freeway to connect the 710 and 210 freeways: constructing a 4.5 mile tunnel, building light rail, increasing bus service, making traffic improvements and a no-build option. The draft environmental impact report and statement is slated to be released in February.

 

Scenario one

In the year 2044, the proposed tunnel will have been defeated, the story of small, local communities battling the massive state transportation department and prevailing after more than a century, considering Caltrans first conceived the idea in the 1930s. Hopefully by 2044 other transportation options will have been considered and implemented to help relieve the area’s growing congestion.

 

“If Pasadena succeeds in overcoming the bureaucratic push for this obsolescent proposal in the next year or two,” said Bogaard, “the 710 freeway will be seen as a classic solution in search of a problem, and the community of Pasadena will escape the detrimental impacts of this traffic-creating facility.”


Scenario two

The tunnel will be completed and in use. This scenario will drastically alter the way Pasadena looks and feels in 30 years. In 2044 Pasadena will be celebrating the 155th Rose Parade. However, the parade may be affected if the tunnel is built, because one of the mouths of the tunnel will open right into Old Pasadena and the traditional route of the parade.

“It will be the apocalypse,” City Councilmember Steve Madison once said at a council meeting about this scenario.


Scenario three

The tunnel project will be tied up in the courts, neither side willing to cede ground. In this scenario, the only happy people are high-priced lawyers and low-income residents in the 710 corridor who haven’t yet been displaced from the homes that are currently slated to be sold starting this fall.


Down the road

In the meantime, light rail could still proliferate.

 

“One of the alternatives to the 710 being studied is light rail, which I have embraced,” said Tornek. “We could have unbelievable rail service. To everyone’s amazement we may actually have everyone getting out of their cars. There’s a real yearning for that. It’s an emerging trend that will have an impact on Pasadena.”

 

Local land use attorney Chris Sutton believes that the first scenario outlined above will be the one to play out, saying the project will just be “too expensive in light of shrinking gas tax revenues.” The saved money, he added, could be used to underground the Gold Line from Glenarm to Del Mar and to complete new light rail lines connecting to Glendale and westward and southward to East LA and Orange County.

 

With any luck, in 2044 the Gold Line will not only extend out to Montclair to the east, but also to Bob Hope Airport in Burbank to the west and be accompanied by several other light rail lines crisscrossing Pasadena, with stations at City Hall, Caltech, JPL and the Rose Bowl. One potential line could shoot up into Altadena to the foothills, where passengers could take a reconstructed Mount Lowe Railway up to Echo Mountain where a replica of the Echo Mountain House, a 70-room Victorian hotel, could be built. Other lines could pass through La Cañada Flintridge, Eagle Rock, Glendale and Alhambra.

 

Light rail lines could connect Pasadena to every other municipality and unincorporated community in southern California by the year 2044. Our city can and will be exactly the way we want it to be. The vision is there. The possibilities are limitless. All that’s needed is leadership.





‘Sustainable’ summer

Earth-conscious developers host a day of educational workshops and discussions to celebrate summer solstice 

By Justin Chapman, Pasadena Weekly, 6/19/2014

Saturday marks the summer solstice, the day when the sun is at its highest, a Pasadena-based sustainable design and urban landscape architecture company is throwing a party to celebrate all things local.
La Loma Development Co.’s Summer Solstice Festival will include a plant sale, place-making workshops, panel discussions, community archive collection, music and food. The event will take place from 4 to 9 p.m. at La Loma Development’s headquarters at Lincoln Avenue and Washington Boulevard, dubbed “The Shed” by La Loma’s executive and creative directors, Marco and Michelle Barrantes.
The Arroyo Time Bank will be there to present an orientation on exchanging services without money. Attendees will also be able to sign up for waste-less living residential and commercial compost pick up. Panels will discuss innovative and inexpensive ways to reduce energy bills at home (including solar, solar thermal, wind and lighting), how to become a licensed cottage food operator and developing an organic understanding of the food we consume by discovering the hidden messages in food.
Three cooperatives, Arroyo Food, Mondragon and Pacific Electric Workers, will discuss how co-ops create jobs and encourage community building.
The evening will be capped by the Los Angeles County premier screening of urban fruit.
La Loma Development has been converting The Shed, once utilized by historic Paul’s Auto, since June 2012. The 30,000-square-foot yard and warehouse is now being used as a center for green job training, ecological skills, sustainable development, urban architecture, permaculture, food systems and art space. 
“This whole location is the natural extension of La Loma’s original goal,” said Marco, “which is promoting, designing, creating and supporting sustainable communities with a big emphasis on local watersheds and food systems.”
The Shed is also located in the middle of a large food desert in Northwest Pasadena. Marco said they want to have a food commissary on the property to help solve that problem.
The Shed is also available for rent to the general public for films, weddings and other events. Call (626) 354-8993 for more information on renting the location.
Tickets for Saturday’s Summer Solstice Festival are $10 in advance, $15 at the door and free for those under 21. The Shed is located at 1355 Lincoln Ave., Pasadena. Visit lalomadevelopment.com for more information. 

Sister act

How did Barbara Emmons and Darla Longo get to the top of the male-dominated commercial real estate world?

By Justin Chapman, Pasadena Magazine, May/June 2014

After graduating from UCLA in 1989, Barbara Emmons decided to follow her sister Darla Longo's lead and enter the field of commercial real estate. Although she didn't know it at the time, there were few other women in that industry. When Emmons was interviewing for the company that the two sisters now practically run, a manager tried to set her straight.

"He asked me what I wanted to do, and I said I wanted to be an industrial real estate broker," Emmons recalls. "And he said, 'That's not a profession for women. You should be a residential broker.'"

Emmons came out of that interview and called her sister right away. "You're not going to believe what he just told me," she told her. "He said I shouldn't do what I want to do because I'm a woman." For Emmons, his remark proved inspirational. "It was like, 'I now want to prove you wrong,'" she says.

Even today there aren't many women in commercial real estate, and even fewer work in industrial real estate, an industry that the sisters have excelled in as vice chairs of Downtown Los Angeles-based CBRE. Working as an unusual kind of corporate sister act, they've carved out a space for themselves in a business that is exceedingly male-dominated--succeeding in part because they went into it with no idea that they had chosen an obstacle-strewn path. Their father, Phil Vessadini, had always told them they could do and be anything they wanted. When he passed away at the young age of sixty-seven, Emmons was just about to start her career, and it brought the two sisters together professionally.

Their father, Longo says, had always wanted them to work together. "Being sisters, we were kind of like, 'No, we don't want to have any conflicts,'" Longo says. "But we are very complementary, and in our seventeen years we've never really had any issues. It's been pretty amazing."

Their method has been described as good cop/bad cop: Emmons warms the client up, and Longo is the closer.

"It's more that we have different skills and talents, so we play different roles on the team," Emmons says.

The La Canada natives have been involved in tens of billions of dollars' worth of sales. Longo and Emmons take a holistic approach to investment sales and land sales. They take an industrial property, value it, and bring in a capital market buyer. Sometimes they'll even get involved in leasing and developing the properties.

Both agree that facing stereotypes was something they had to overcome when they were first starting out.

"It wasn't like, 'I am woman and I'm going to burn the bra and go forward,'" Longo says. "It's more that Barbara and I do a really good job and we care about our clients and, yes, when we started we had to work harder and smarter and longer hours. I mean that was the truth. But if we hit a brick wall, we'd back up and figure out how to go around it."

As for how they've managed to climb so high--according to Longo, it's because "we check our ego at the door. We're not trying to prove anything to anyone," Longo says. "We're really just trying to do the best possible job that we can. That's why clients keep coming back to us, because they can trust us, they know we're fair. The fact that we're women makes it interesting, because what we find in the real world is men like to chat with women, and if you're smart and good there is no barrier."